Ktmito 380
Jeram
11 Apr 2011
while we wait for front engine mounts to arrive we got some pro photo-shopping done 
Messaggio modificato da Jeram il 11 April 2011 - 13:37
Messaggio modificato da Jeram il 11 April 2011 - 13:37
bird92
11 Apr 2011
but this bike needs an only-track use! :Q__
Messaggio modificato da bird92 il 11 April 2011 - 13:36
Messaggio modificato da bird92 il 11 April 2011 - 13:36
Loki
12 Apr 2011
ma infatti è solo pista bird
nice pic jerom
cito un messaggio dell'altro giorno di dragonball
più che citarlo non so far altro però...chissà se quel problema toccherà anche a Jerom
Messaggio modificato da dallarace il 12 April 2011 - 21:47
nice pic jerom
dragonball, il Apr 4 2011, 10:15 AM, ha scritto:
Chi ha montato un TM K8 su Mito (di Mito c'era solo il telaio) ? Presente.
Dove é finito il prototipo ? Nella cesta del "ruffo" subito dopo averlo acceso,poteva andare bene a un dentista per togliere le otturazioni.
Chi ha montato un KTM 300 su una Mito ? Presente. Usata dal proprietario 2 volte e successivamente cestinata....ooops si é rotto canotto del telaio,in più nn andava,le curve nn le faceva.....secondo me proprio non vale perdere tempo con qst trapianti dopo aver visto che a LeLuc sverniciavamo regolarmente i Mito Supermono (da barboni, vabbé) con i nostri 125 cc rigorosamente con blocco motore Cagiva.
Invece ho visto un Hiro da Cross montato su un Gilera KZ nella vecchia salita Forno-Milani di una quindicina di anni fà,nn era per nulla male in salita.
Dove é finito il prototipo ? Nella cesta del "ruffo" subito dopo averlo acceso,poteva andare bene a un dentista per togliere le otturazioni.
Chi ha montato un KTM 300 su una Mito ? Presente. Usata dal proprietario 2 volte e successivamente cestinata....ooops si é rotto canotto del telaio,in più nn andava,le curve nn le faceva.....secondo me proprio non vale perdere tempo con qst trapianti dopo aver visto che a LeLuc sverniciavamo regolarmente i Mito Supermono (da barboni, vabbé) con i nostri 125 cc rigorosamente con blocco motore Cagiva.
Invece ho visto un Hiro da Cross montato su un Gilera KZ nella vecchia salita Forno-Milani di una quindicina di anni fà,nn era per nulla male in salita.
più che citarlo non so far altro però...chissà se quel problema toccherà anche a Jerom
Messaggio modificato da dallarace il 12 April 2011 - 21:47
bird92
12 Apr 2011
bha speriamo di no, chissà. Non conosco dragonball, ma sembra uno che non dice cazz*te. comunque io ho visto fari e tutto, quindi che solo pista?
Loki
12 Apr 2011
è solo pista certo
a pagina uno c'è la foto reale della carena
Messaggio modificato da dallarace il 12 April 2011 - 23:35
a pagina uno c'è la foto reale della carena
Messaggio modificato da dallarace il 12 April 2011 - 23:35
bird92
13 Apr 2011
ma il motore ktm non ha i carter che sbattono contro le carene? in questo caso, visto che ha colorato i carter che sono bellissimi, al posto di allargare le carene, non potrebbe tagliar via il profilo corrispondente ai carter in modo tale che sporgano? sarebbero fighissimi... no?
Jeram
23 May 2011
if your asking whether the engine will protrude out from the side of the fairings?
it wont, the KTM engine is much smaller than the mito engine
we are just trying to get the engine in the frame right now.
Thanks
Jeram
it wont, the KTM engine is much smaller than the mito engine
we are just trying to get the engine in the frame right now.
Thanks
Jeram
Jeram
24 Aug 2011
We managed over the weekend to get the engine mounts about 80% done which is a great milestone.
the motor now sits in the frame without any assistance and the motor is nicely held in place considering that none of the bolts are torqued up yet.
the mounts are made from 3mm mild steel flat bar, the bolts are all high tensile structural 8.8 and 10.9 grade, whch really is needed due to the high consequences if there ever was a failure.
the engine mounts have been thought out and designed over the past 9 months, and we have been collaborating with many old skool chassis gurus to find the best possible solution for reducing vibrations.
If any of those guys are reading, you know who you are, thanks!
and I say old skool because new bikes dont vibrate like they used to!
we settled on using a combination of dampeners from a Harley Davidson and skate board bushes and have found them to work splendidly.
we now just need to weld some thin flat bar around the mounts to 'box them up' to reduce side-to-side flexure.
this really will be a 'suck it and see' we wont know if it will work untill we start up the bike, if it doesnt work, it will just be a matter of finding where the vibrations are getting though and fix it
once everything is perfect and working, Ill send it off to the powdercoaters of have it plastic dipped to give it a better look.
I considered getting them CNC'd but theres no point wasting hundreds of dollars on bling thats going to be hidden under the fairing, all they need to do is work!
Top view, top end installed.
dampener in machined shell
We managed to get the wheel and chain aligned so that the brembo rear caliper can have its bracket made up
finished mounts with dampeners, just needs some spacers made and the hanging mounts need to be boxed to increase side to side rigidity.
New shock ordered
Nitron Race Spec shock with preload, high and low speed adjusters, ride height adjustment and set up for my weight and the bikes weight.
it cost me a bit even with mates rates deal from the UK supplier, but will be well worth it.
If anyone wants my Maxton adjustable shock that has been adapted to fit the mito, send me a PM because its going cheap.
more updates comming soon
Messaggio modificato da Jeram il 24 August 2011 - 05:33
the motor now sits in the frame without any assistance and the motor is nicely held in place considering that none of the bolts are torqued up yet.
the mounts are made from 3mm mild steel flat bar, the bolts are all high tensile structural 8.8 and 10.9 grade, whch really is needed due to the high consequences if there ever was a failure.
the engine mounts have been thought out and designed over the past 9 months, and we have been collaborating with many old skool chassis gurus to find the best possible solution for reducing vibrations.
If any of those guys are reading, you know who you are, thanks!
and I say old skool because new bikes dont vibrate like they used to!
we settled on using a combination of dampeners from a Harley Davidson and skate board bushes and have found them to work splendidly.
we now just need to weld some thin flat bar around the mounts to 'box them up' to reduce side-to-side flexure.
this really will be a 'suck it and see' we wont know if it will work untill we start up the bike, if it doesnt work, it will just be a matter of finding where the vibrations are getting though and fix it
once everything is perfect and working, Ill send it off to the powdercoaters of have it plastic dipped to give it a better look.
I considered getting them CNC'd but theres no point wasting hundreds of dollars on bling thats going to be hidden under the fairing, all they need to do is work!
Top view, top end installed.
dampener in machined shell
We managed to get the wheel and chain aligned so that the brembo rear caliper can have its bracket made up
finished mounts with dampeners, just needs some spacers made and the hanging mounts need to be boxed to increase side to side rigidity.
New shock ordered
Nitron Race Spec shock with preload, high and low speed adjusters, ride height adjustment and set up for my weight and the bikes weight.
it cost me a bit even with mates rates deal from the UK supplier, but will be well worth it.
If anyone wants my Maxton adjustable shock that has been adapted to fit the mito, send me a PM because its going cheap.
more updates comming soon
Messaggio modificato da Jeram il 24 August 2011 - 05:33
Jeram
24 Aug 2011
Could some one fluent in both italian and english please properly translate the above quote
"Usata dal proprietario 2 volte e successivamente cestinata....ooops si é rotto canotto del telaio,in più nn andava,le curve nn le faceva .....secondo me proprio non vale perdere tempo con qst trapianti dopo aver visto che a LeLuc sverniciavamo regolarmente i Mito Supermono (da barboni, vabbé) con i nostri 125 cc rigorosamente con blocco motore Cagiva. Invece ho visto un Hiro da Cross montato su un Gilera KZ nella vecchia salita Forno-Milani di una quindicina di anni fà,nn era per nulla male in salita"
is he saying there is someone with a KTM300 mito?
any more info on it?
also is he saying the frame snapped from the torque?
Iv never seen that happen on a mito before, Id imagine that it is from the vibrations creating cracks in the frame welds which is why I spent nearly a year designing mounts that will elimate the vibrations.
"Usata dal proprietario 2 volte e successivamente cestinata....ooops si é rotto canotto del telaio,in più nn andava,le curve nn le faceva .....secondo me proprio non vale perdere tempo con qst trapianti dopo aver visto che a LeLuc sverniciavamo regolarmente i Mito Supermono (da barboni, vabbé) con i nostri 125 cc rigorosamente con blocco motore Cagiva. Invece ho visto un Hiro da Cross montato su un Gilera KZ nella vecchia salita Forno-Milani di una quindicina di anni fà,nn era per nulla male in salita"
is he saying there is someone with a KTM300 mito?
any more info on it?
also is he saying the frame snapped from the torque?
Iv never seen that happen on a mito before, Id imagine that it is from the vibrations creating cracks in the frame welds which is why I spent nearly a year designing mounts that will elimate the vibrations.
Jeram
24 Aug 2011
Could some one fluent in both italian and english please properly translate the above quote
"Usata dal proprietario 2 volte e successivamente cestinata....ooops si é rotto canotto del telaio,in più nn andava,le curve nn le faceva .....secondo me proprio non vale perdere tempo con qst trapianti dopo aver visto che a LeLuc sverniciavamo regolarmente i Mito Supermono (da barboni, vabbé) con i nostri 125 cc rigorosamente con blocco motore Cagiva. Invece ho visto un Hiro da Cross montato su un Gilera KZ nella vecchia salita Forno-Milani di una quindicina di anni fà,nn era per nulla male in salita"
is he saying there is someone with a KTM300 mito? the only one Ive seen was pete247 from 125ccsportsbikes but he stopped and put the engine back in his supermoto.
is there another one? any more info on it?
also is he saying the frame snapped from the torque?
Iv never seen that happen on a mito before, Id imagine that it is from the vibrations creating cracks in the frame welds which is why I spent nearly a year designing mounts that will elimate the vibrations.
Messaggio modificato da Jeram il 24 August 2011 - 05:42
"Usata dal proprietario 2 volte e successivamente cestinata....ooops si é rotto canotto del telaio,in più nn andava,le curve nn le faceva .....secondo me proprio non vale perdere tempo con qst trapianti dopo aver visto che a LeLuc sverniciavamo regolarmente i Mito Supermono (da barboni, vabbé) con i nostri 125 cc rigorosamente con blocco motore Cagiva. Invece ho visto un Hiro da Cross montato su un Gilera KZ nella vecchia salita Forno-Milani di una quindicina di anni fà,nn era per nulla male in salita"
is he saying there is someone with a KTM300 mito? the only one Ive seen was pete247 from 125ccsportsbikes but he stopped and put the engine back in his supermoto.
is there another one? any more info on it?
also is he saying the frame snapped from the torque?
Iv never seen that happen on a mito before, Id imagine that it is from the vibrations creating cracks in the frame welds which is why I spent nearly a year designing mounts that will elimate the vibrations.
Messaggio modificato da Jeram il 24 August 2011 - 05:42
Maicol
24 Aug 2011
Jeram, il Aug 24 2011, 06:40 AM, ha scritto:
Could some one fluent in both italian and english please properly translate the above quote
"Usata dal proprietario 2 volte e successivamente cestinata....ooops si é rotto canotto del telaio,in più nn andava,le curve nn le faceva .....secondo me proprio non vale perdere tempo con qst trapianti dopo aver visto che a LeLuc sverniciavamo regolarmente i Mito Supermono (da barboni, vabbé) con i nostri 125 cc rigorosamente con blocco motore Cagiva. Invece ho visto un Hiro da Cross montato su un Gilera KZ nella vecchia salita Forno-Milani di una quindicina di anni fà,nn era per nulla male in salita"
is he saying there is someone with a KTM300 mito? the only one Ive seen was pete247 from 125ccsportsbikes but he stopped and put the engine back in his supermoto.
is there another one? any more info on it?
also is he saying the frame snapped from the torque?
Iv never seen that happen on a mito before, Id imagine that it is from the vibrations creating cracks in the frame welds which is why I spent nearly a year designing mounts that will elimate the vibrations.
"Usata dal proprietario 2 volte e successivamente cestinata....ooops si é rotto canotto del telaio,in più nn andava,le curve nn le faceva .....secondo me proprio non vale perdere tempo con qst trapianti dopo aver visto che a LeLuc sverniciavamo regolarmente i Mito Supermono (da barboni, vabbé) con i nostri 125 cc rigorosamente con blocco motore Cagiva. Invece ho visto un Hiro da Cross montato su un Gilera KZ nella vecchia salita Forno-Milani di una quindicina di anni fà,nn era per nulla male in salita"
is he saying there is someone with a KTM300 mito? the only one Ive seen was pete247 from 125ccsportsbikes but he stopped and put the engine back in his supermoto.
is there another one? any more info on it?
also is he saying the frame snapped from the torque?
Iv never seen that happen on a mito before, Id imagine that it is from the vibrations creating cracks in the frame welds which is why I spent nearly a year designing mounts that will elimate the vibrations.
"Used from the owner for a couple of times and then thrown away...ooops the steering frame was broken, then wasn't so powerful, and it can't turn...for me isn't a great businness wasting time with this trasformation after seeing our 125 cc Mito (with original Cagiva engine block) regularly wins against the SuperMono Mito (cheap one, but...) on LeLuc track. I've seen a Hiro Cross on a Gilera KZ on the old climbing race of Forno-Milani about 15 years ago, it was good!
Sorry for the translation, but i'm running out of time and i must hurry up
Jeram
24 Aug 2011
thanks buddy.... thats much easier to understand than google translate...
google mentioned something about boats in its translation haha
yeah, I agree a tuned cagiva mito can in most cases beat a basic 4T supermono, its also great for going around the outside of squids on 1198's and gsxr's
But I wouldnt be betting on it passing my bike
google mentioned something about boats in its translation haha
yeah, I agree a tuned cagiva mito can in most cases beat a basic 4T supermono, its also great for going around the outside of squids on 1198's and gsxr's
But I wouldnt be betting on it passing my bike
{mRk}
07 Sep 2011
Jeram, il Aug 24 2011, 06:26 AM, ha scritto:
.....
New shock ordered
Nitron Race Spec shock with preload, high and low speed adjusters, ride height adjustment and set up for my weight and the bikes weight.
it cost me a bit even with mates rates deal from the UK supplier, but will be well worth it.
.....
New shock ordered
Nitron Race Spec shock with preload, high and low speed adjusters, ride height adjustment and set up for my weight and the bikes weight.
it cost me a bit even with mates rates deal from the UK supplier, but will be well worth it.
.....
Jeram
06 Oct 2011
Yeah thats the one...
From the nitron website.
"The NTR Race shock is designed for more serious riders, and as such incorporates high and low speed compression control valves for further fine tuning of setup, perfect for race bikes and very high performance road use. As with the NTR Track, this 3-way adjustable shock has a remote reservoir that is mounted by a 360deg swiveling hose onto the main shock body and reservoir canister.
The shock features spring preload as well as shock length adjustment. It comes preset for damping and preload, and includes the bearing end spacers, spring and preload c-spanner.
When ordering please include your weight and the bike's primary use (i.e. road and / or track) in the notes so we can specify the optimum spring rate."
From the nitron website.
"The NTR Race shock is designed for more serious riders, and as such incorporates high and low speed compression control valves for further fine tuning of setup, perfect for race bikes and very high performance road use. As with the NTR Track, this 3-way adjustable shock has a remote reservoir that is mounted by a 360deg swiveling hose onto the main shock body and reservoir canister.
The shock features spring preload as well as shock length adjustment. It comes preset for damping and preload, and includes the bearing end spacers, spring and preload c-spanner.
When ordering please include your weight and the bike's primary use (i.e. road and / or track) in the notes so we can specify the optimum spring rate."
{mRk}
06 Oct 2011
Thank you. In Italy this product is not known.
I read that in England is much used for Aprilia RS250 and Suzuki RGV250.
I read that in England is much used for Aprilia RS250 and Suzuki RGV250.
bubagan
06 Oct 2011
well done jeram, i used the bitubo wxm11 on my special bike with the rd350 engine, it has the same adjustments as yours Nitro rear shock absorber. i presume that it will be difficult to get the right set-up either way, because your bike is very powerful and both very low-weight. in track use i still have to understand how to set-up well my bitubo rear shock, i believe it requires an harder spring...
we're anxious to see the giant expansion chamber!
we're anxious to see the giant expansion chamber!
Jeram
22 Oct 2011
Cheers,
I dont think it will be so hard to get the suspension set up, one of my mates was trained by racetech suspension!
with the extra power I will just have to increase the low speed dampening, but the front sprocket has been set at the perfect height so that is will not cause the rear suspension to become unsettled under power
I am hoping to work on the bike alot over the December-March period.
I might fly up to Newcaste a few times to get this bike finished.
things to do to finish the bike
1. get the engine mounts CNC'd in Aluminium (weve got a mate who works in CNC shop now!)
2. expansion chamber
3. rear subframe
4. electrics
5. finish top end of engine
6. get rear brake sorted out (CNC'd)
7. brake lines
8. airbox and ram aim
9. make aluminium bungs/covers for the engine (to fill the kick starter hole and the powervalve shaft hole)
10. start her up!
should be able to get all of that done this summer!
and in the time in between I am working on a 50hp CRM250AR supermoto project in my garage haha
(just need to finish of the top end (overbored 2005 CR250, and make a SuperKart spec pipe)
I dont think it will be so hard to get the suspension set up, one of my mates was trained by racetech suspension!
with the extra power I will just have to increase the low speed dampening, but the front sprocket has been set at the perfect height so that is will not cause the rear suspension to become unsettled under power
I am hoping to work on the bike alot over the December-March period.
I might fly up to Newcaste a few times to get this bike finished.
things to do to finish the bike
1. get the engine mounts CNC'd in Aluminium (weve got a mate who works in CNC shop now!)
2. expansion chamber
3. rear subframe
4. electrics
5. finish top end of engine
6. get rear brake sorted out (CNC'd)
7. brake lines
8. airbox and ram aim
9. make aluminium bungs/covers for the engine (to fill the kick starter hole and the powervalve shaft hole)
10. start her up!
should be able to get all of that done this summer!
and in the time in between I am working on a 50hp CRM250AR supermoto project in my garage haha
(just need to finish of the top end (overbored 2005 CR250, and make a SuperKart spec pipe)
Tallus
22 Oct 2011
Heh Great job Jeram. I see in your work a lot of passion that's very cool. Please tell me how old are you? AND WHERE THE HELL YOU HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT ALL PARTS!? 
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