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#1 Pikandi

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Inviato 21 maggio 2006 - 20:26

hello there!

As you know i have an suzuki RGV 250.

I also have 3 karts

So, i am seriously thinking of instaling my mito engine on a kart, and instaling the RGV 250 engine on my mito.

Is there any information about the swap?
Don't want 350 or 500. Just the RGV 250 engine.

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Inviato 21 maggio 2006 - 20:44

Visualizza MessaggioPikandi, il May 21 2006, 09:26 PM, ha scritto:

hello there!

As you know i have an suzuki RGV 250.

I also have 3 karts

So, i am seriously thinking of instaling my mito engine on a kart, and instaling the RGV 250 engine on my mito.

Is there any information about the swap?
Don't want 350 or 500. Just the RGV 250 engine.

i donn't think it 'll work because the rgv engine is a v-twin, thus much longer so i don't think it'll fit.
you could also have problems fitting the radiator ,because even if it fits the engine will leave you little space between the front piston and the wheel.
you could try and put mito forks and swing arm on the rgv frame.
what side is the chain in the rgv on?

Messaggio modificato da ammanna il 21 maggio 2006 - 20:45



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#3 Pikandi

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Inviato 21 maggio 2006 - 21:06

the chain is in the same side.

I know there is an mito with rgv 250 engine. i have photos at home.
I just don't know how dificult it is to swap the engine.

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Inviato 22 maggio 2006 - 07:49

Check this:
http://www.suzuki-rg500.com/
NO PM per consulenze tecniche, grazie! La critica è l'imposta che l'invidia percepisce sul merito (Cit.Duca de Levis) Chi sa fa e chi non sa insegna (proverbio)
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Inviato 22 maggio 2006 - 12:51

Immagine inserita

I dont remember where i find this one...but it is an RGV engine on a mito EV.

And it looks gooooood

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Inviato 22 maggio 2006 - 12:59

I also saw it, but i think that it isn't the best engine to fiti in mito's frame. personal opinion... i'd prefer an rd 350 or nsr400 unit. but in effect it is a good engine, so... make a good job!!!

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Inviato 22 maggio 2006 - 14:07

I dont like too much the RD350 engine. It's too soft.
RGV 250 is more brutal. Maybe the RD350 engine fits better on the mito frame, but i like most the 250.

If i do that, i will have to put 2 brake discs on the front.

And i don't want it to be nissin or other. Brembo, like the original.

Does anyone know what is the easy way to do that?

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Inviato 22 maggio 2006 - 15:33

install monster's or rs250's forks. But (with a little adapter) you can install a single brembo triple bridge 4pads caliper, that is more powerful than the original, with a single brake disc. No useful weight! As Colin chapman said: "to add performance, add lightness"...

for what concern the engine... if you want rgv's performance... add rgv cilinder unit on the rd350 base... good performance and very compact engine!!! rd 350 has 54mm stroke and in cilinder lamellar distribution... like rgv (or aprilia rs 125!)! (inglese sempre più maccheronico!!!)

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Inviato 22 maggio 2006 - 17:30

Visualizza MessaggioPlanettistaDaSparo, il May 22 2006, 03:33 PM, ha scritto:

install monster's or rs250's forks. But (with a little adapter) you can install a single brembo triple bridge 4pads caliper, that is more powerful than the original, with a single brake disc. No useful weight! As Colin chapman said: "to add performance, add lightness"...

for what concern the engine... if you want rgv's performance... add rgv cilinder unit on the rd350 base... good performance and very compact engine!!! rd 350 has 54mm stroke and in cilinder lamellar distribution... like rgv (or aprilia rs 125!)! (inglese sempre più maccheronico!!!)


where have you seen that?
RGV cilinder on RD350 engine...? Is it bolt on? or do you need to adapt it?

I dont think it is a good idea. The exhaust system would have to be diferent from the RD350 and RG 250.
They would have to be RD form and RGV mesures.
And that is equal to spend more € :Bravo:

I dont want to spend too much money.

About the brake, i can instal RGV forks, or maybe the ducati. You were talking about ducati monster right?

All pf these must be used material. And i want to mantain my stearing damper...that was expensive.

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Inviato 22 maggio 2006 - 20:09

excuse me if I'm OT, but.... who made that exhaust system??? it's fantastic!!!!

a really really fine construction, better than jolly and crc in my opinion (maybe it don't works well,but.... it's contructed very very good)

meybe it's a Tyga exhaust...? or a special arrow??


in any way, if you want to fit some other forks you don't have to throw away your steering damper, but you only need to drill a hole in the upper fork plate ad join the damper with the hole....
or, if you want a good job you weld a nut to the plate (maybe with an adjustable arm) and fit the dumper to it...


non oso pensare quanti errori ho fatto.. speriamo che abbia capito!
Se qualcosa non viene utilizzato ai massimi livelli non significa che non sia conveniente farlo.
Allo stesso modo non è vero che qualunque cosa è stata già pensata, provata e giudicata negativa.

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Inviato 22 maggio 2006 - 22:42

you can adapt more forks. in my opinion the best compromise would be the rs250 units. Those are dimensionally similar to our forks, but regulable, more sporty, and ready for the second brake caliper! and the disk hasn't a useless (in this case) big diameter (280mm, while monster need 320mm disks) instead they have good performance!

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Inviato 23 maggio 2006 - 00:10

Ok
:italia:
thanks for the sugestions.

If i really come to do that, i will let you know.

for now i will have fun on stock engine. :smile:

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Inviato 28 maggio 2006 - 10:04

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Inviato 28 maggio 2006 - 11:51

raga ma ve la immaginate una mito con blocco rs 250 con entrambi i sile che sparano sottocoda? mamma mia.... solo all'idea impazzisco...


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Inviato 20 giugno 2006 - 22:10

Visualizza MessaggioPikandi, il May 21 2006, 09:26 PM, ha scritto:

hello there!

As you know i have an suzuki RGV 250.

I also have 3 karts

So, i am seriously thinking of instaling my mito engine on a kart, and instaling the RGV 250 engine on my mito.

Is there any information about the swap?
Don't want 350 or 500. Just the RGV 250 engine.

I've already seen such a transplant, although for few minutes only, but I must say that it works VERY well.

The guy who had performed it told me that it had been quite a straightforward job, as the two triangular brackets of the Mito frame help a lot in sorting out suitable fixing point for many engines, as it can be seen in the picture of the "work-in-progress" Mito/RGV.

I don't know if the guy was just bragging or pulling my leg, but he told me that the whole job had taken him a full working week: started on Monday and on the road on Saturday morning.

As lons as I was told, using standard Mito back wheel the chain line can be kept by simply using a spacer between RGV case and Mito swingarm, as the mito case is very large (106mm including the bushes, if my memory doesn't fail). Another spacer will be needed on the RH side between case and swingarm. If the case is larger than 106mm some milling will have to be performed, but not with the RGV engine, as far as I can remember.

One thing you'll have to pay attention to is the swingarm pivot, as the Mito swingarm axle is a pretty big Ø14mm, and I'm quite sure you'll have to make a steel bush and insert it into the swingarm pivot of the RGV case in place of the original Suzuki item, but that's an easy job.

One thing you might find difficult to sort out is the LH carburettor, which sits against the shock absorber, and I must be honest: I can't remember how the guy solved the problem. I'd say Suzuki RM125 reed valves and inlet rubber manifold, but I wouldn't swear on it.

Exhaust pipes go out both on the RH side, and standard Suzuki or Aprilia items can be used/adapted.

Kickstart lever can be kept in its place and only a little cut in the Mito fairing is needed, but I've seen that the RGV engine, when carburettors and sparkplugs are OK, is very easy to be bumpstarted.

Unfortunately the day I met the guy with the Mito/RGV I didn't have my camera with me.

To cut a long story short, I don't think it's going to be a very difficult job, as long as you have a good (i.e. solid) workbench you can place the motorbike on, since some careful measurements have to be performed.

Actually I'm working on another Mito project, but the next one in my to-do list would be the RGV "transplant".

Have a nice time and keep me updated on the project.

One final question: what engine are you going to install on the Suzuki frame?

Bye!

Steve

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Inviato 20 giugno 2006 - 22:46

i suppose that when i will have 18 years old i put a rgv 250 or rd 350 on my mito...because my friends which go out on motorcycle with me take ninja 636 on 18..i think that it isn't simple..but not impossible...
pikandì could you put on this thread the quote of the staff for the engine rgv 250 in your mito??thank you and sorry for my poor english :italia:
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